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Brexit 2016

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I will be voting to Leave Europe.

what about you?

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you don't have to be all 3 but you need at least 1 to a #Brexiter.

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Remain will take the day anyway. Far too many decent Brits and a load of loudmouth UKIP skagheads will forget to turn up.on the day to vote, if they are even registered.
A relatively comfortable 58/42 Remain win.

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And if it is too close and #Brexit are leaving then MI6 and the intelligence services will just skew the vote in Remain's favour so as not to excite the Russian bear.

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How'd I know rj would vote leave?! 7% of UK law is determined by the EU. migration has contributed more financially to the UK than it has taken. Living in NI you've not seen much migration at all either. Who wants to move to this hell hole of a statelet and be faced with marches, religious Protestant zealots and terrorists

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Isn't most the immigration from non eu immigrants and therefore fall under British immigration laws and not eu?

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Or at least immigrants that are non working

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What Brussels influences/laws/legislation is it that you want the UK to have control over RJ?

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The brown skined ones

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Do yiz think voting no might shake things up a bit? This place is fucked and showing no signs of getting better. Fuck it, might as well. I've been vote remain all along but this last week or so I've started to wonder if that's right.

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If I was voting I'd be voting leave. Get the jihadis off Bora Bora

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We are and should be a separate completely independent country able to do as we please without interference from a central government, it works for Norway and Switzerland who both seem to be doing just grand outside the EU

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I find this 'we should be free to make our own decisions ' hilarious

Do you think the likes of Boris and Rupert Murdoch actually see us all as a we? Do you really think giving them power makes us independent and a great big 'we'?

In eu Britain, Germany and France are the most influential in decision making, we aren't at the mercy of the big bad eu.

Of course as a daily mail reader you've been brainwashed by Murdoch ;)

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"I once asked Rupert Murdoch why he was so opposed to the European Union. 'That’s easy,' he replied. 'When I go into Downing Street they do what I say; when I go to Brussels they take no notice.'" - from Anthony Hilton of the Evening Standard

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but to trade with the EU you need to comply with their rules, RJ...

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"Do you think the likes of Boris and Rupert Murdoch actually see us all as a we? Do you really think giving them power makes us independent and a great big 'we'?"

At least if he fucks it all up we can vote him out and just maybe the next guy will do a better job but at least we have the option

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I sometimes think of a student flat with 8 students living in it, sharing the rent. Then one student thinks "Wouldn't it be great to be able to stand on my own", so he gets his own flat but the rent is too high and he starves to death.

But it was great to stand on his own two feet and be independent!

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RE the Boris vid. It's been British govt policy for donkeys years to encourage Turkey into the EU, Lab & Con. I would have certainly been for it. The rise of Erdogan has complicated matters however.

Why the UK will automatically be dominated by the right post Brexit I don't understand. You are free to vote in whomever you like, right or left.

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Aye but Wayne is it fair that that one guy who wants a bit of independence should be forking over more money cause half the of the other students are poor cunts with fuck all money and bring nothing to the flat?

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It's not a question of fairness, it's a question of walking away from a good situation into a worse one for the sake of some poetic idea of independence, when you really you should be weighing up *all* the pros and cons of each potential outcome.

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I seen Wayne's post about the flatmates and thought id write something tongue in cheek pretending to be RJ, but then RJ wrote it for real before I got there. lol

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Always had you pegged as a agent of revolutionary change and chaos. :)

It depends on what people define as a good situation. For a lot of people, mostly poor English people we don't meet, they don't really see it as such. Nationalisation of state industries is illegal under EU law, cross border competition must be allowed. The idea that the EU is the only vehicle for progressive change just isn't true, imo.

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In fairness wayne... its more like the guy who leave the student house because he disagreed with some of the house rules or the friends the have over for parties storming out in a huff to live on his own

... then calling round every day to hang out with his ex-house mates hoping to free load off them without being bound by their house rules and being a dick to their mates

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"At least if he fucks it all up we can vote him out and just maybe the next guy will do a better job but at least we have the option"

You do realise the EU's standard decision making procedure ('Ordinary Legislative Procedure') means that the directly elected European Parliament has to approve EU legislation together with the Council (the governments of the 28 EU countries), i.e. you vote in the European Parliament and the Council

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Are you a gambling man, dvmc? odds of 3/1 for a Leave vote.

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but it doesn't back state backed entities ... the state can run utilities as long as third parties have access to the grid.

It is as usual british government decision to wholly privatise them and generally a tory one at that

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"The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999

Official EU voting records show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix.

In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%."

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Don't be disingenuous daire. The EU parl rubberstamps decisions made by the council. Legislation is 99% proposed however, be the un-elected EU commission.

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Its odd to think that in all the chaos of a brexit... those currently with the captial and power necessary to exploit the opportunity are somehow going to fare worse than those that will be busy dealing with the financial consequence of the brexit dvmc.

I can't actually imagine a situation where a tory government newly freed from EU regulations will some decide to strengthen workers rights... given they will have a new slim mandate and a stated desire to do away with 'red tape'

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So the argument would be we would be in a better position letting Boris run the country and if he fucks it up after a few years we can vote someone else in? Because people do a great job at voting don't they

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Again you are assuming Tory govt dominance. We had "Labour" governments for years. It's behooves the voters in the UK to decide what or who they want.

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Nationalisation is not illegal under EU law. Farage is making that a headline buy the detail shows otherwise

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The tories are in power now dvmc... and will be as the negotiations to leave the EU are conducted.

They will also be setting the laws for the UK for the next 4 years... you think they're going to ushering in some new socialist paradise?

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If it’s so damned great and works so brilliantly then why have Norway and Switzerland refused to join and I don’t exactly see citizens of those countries on our streets selling the big issue?

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Disingenuous? It was a justified response to a complete bullshit statement regarding the inability to elect lawmakers in the EU. Re. legislation, the European Commission is appointed by the European Council (i.e. government/head of state of each member country) and subject to a vote of approval by the European Parliament. The council and parliament then have the ability to amend, decline or approve all legislation

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you seem happy to tell those of us living in the UK that it doesn't behoove us to remain in europe

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Yeah but Daire we are but 1 vote amongst 28

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I don't take my information from Farage, rp. It must be open to competition. That is the law in the EU. Any mooted renationalisation would be actionable in the EU court. Especially from French and German firms who now own most of it in the UK.

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Whereas in our parliament all our laws and decision making is made by us without needing another 27 countries approval

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The swiss have all the stolen nazi gold and dodgy banking practices to keep them afloat... and norway has the money it invested from the north sea oil.

We have neither of those things on a scale to support the UK population over 5 time the size of either of those 2 nations (who are bound by eu trade and immigration rule anyway)

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and those are state backed french and german companies dcmv?

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Daire is that your definition of a democratic process? Appointees appointed by heads of state then rubberstamped by an acquiescent parliament. Well, if it was good enough for Khrushchev...

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maybe we should just have system of direct democracy with the electorate voting on every decision then... i'm sure that will work well

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The law is the same in all the EU. SNCF & DB aggressively defend their own markets however. Plus, they are effectively a cartel on the continent.

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pavlovs dog • 1 minute ago
maybe we should just have system of direct democracy with the electorate voting on every decision then... i'm sure that will work well

or maybe just give the electorate the ability to vote on who represents them at this special table instead of it being an appointed position by a head of state

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I didn't vote for the current government nor those in power in NI so saying we can make change by voting the right people in doesn't really fill me with confidence

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the uk representatives voted for by the electorate did until the tories decided to leave the main voting bloc in the EU to hang out with the other swivel eye, right wing parties in the european parliment and lose their influence

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There are plenty of state owned or partly owned companies in the EU. I don't get what you are saying? Are you wanting to make it easier to create state monopolies here in the UK?

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Of course there are state owned industries. For certain industries, Energy production etc, rail, infrastructure I don't see any benefit to "competition". In most cases it's its only the facade of competition - large, heavy or former state owned industry is subject to huge levels of Cartelisation which is probably the biggest 'hidden' problem in the EU.

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