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Official thread.

I will be voting to Leave Europe.

what about you?

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Lol. dupfunk

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Take the blinkers off lads. Great result for all the remainers just a bitter pill to swallow that the DUP turned out weirdly to do the remainers the biggest favour here and yes they will be hated by the leavers probably now. Best we could of hoped for ffs.

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There's no credit to hand out here at all Dufunk. The DUP blinded by sectarian hatred of the ROI attempted to fuck NI over by backing leave. Special status would have been preferable for all concerned except the DUP said no to that also.

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DUP kicked off about the 'alignment' language in the first version. Final version states:
"In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement."

I.e. fuck all changed but people will assume they got something better out of it (see above).

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Tbf with the line on divergence being controlled in future by NI assembly there won't be a return to Stormont any time soon unless there's movement on the DUP position on rights and equality issues. I'd also say SF will want petition of concern changes too.

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It was never going to go smoothly. Useless fuckers DUP and if UK and DUP had agreed from the beginning on an exit strategy it obviously wouldn't have worked for SF. It was never going to work as one side would always feel the other was getting a slightly better deal rather than thinking about the entire NI as one group of people.

There's nothing more depressing that watching an important news feature and fosters face appears, you just know you're going to be fucked off

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AndyW it was a UK wide vote ffs you cant pin that all on them, time to move on I don't like the DUP but SF are not much better and hold everyone to ransom. Tell me what's more important than health, education and putting bread on the table?

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Freedom!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Make Ulster Great Britain Again!

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I was saying that within the scope of NI dufunk. Yes it was a UK vote and whether NI voted or not the English control what goes on in the scope of a UK wide vote. The fact the DUP voted for leave when it has the potential to seriously damage what little exports this country has it a joke. Can you not see how the potential of brexit will have a lot more affect on what bread people can put on the table. Farmers could potentially have had exports wiped out with tariffs.

As for health and education the NI state still has it's begging bowl out for Westminster. The NI budget has been cut consistently by the tories. Having stormont alive and making decisions on the spending of that budget is preferable of course but not on the terms that the DUP have been doing the past few years. The nationalist community in NI needs treated on equal footing and I believe that until such times that this can be achieved civil servants can do just as good a job at health and education than a Sinner or Duper minister getting overpaid to do it.

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"The NI budget has been cut consistently by the tories" ridiculous statement we get way more than we actually deserve how do you think Scotland and Wales feel. We have heard it all before but you have your head in the sand if you think any other government would not of had to make cuts, I work in the public sector and see the wastage and we have become to much reliant on the public sector the cuts within it were justified and thankfully we have seen growth in the private sector.

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UI on the back burner now I feel the depression on here!

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UI never been closer tbf thanks to DUP pushing for Brexit:
"In the absence of agreed solutions, the United Kingdom will maintain full alignment with those rules of the Internal Market and the Customs Union which, now or in the future, support North-South cooperation, the all-island economy and the protection of the 1998 Agreement."

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All-island Nationalism collectively never been more focused and directed.

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That will come over time anyway Daire. Within 2 decades or sooner IMO.

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I guess the DUP have saved the UK from a WTO rules no deal

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You may wean yourself off the meds in 2040 then Andy!

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We have heavily subsidised higher education and England doesn’t. The English get fucked far more than us by their own government

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What way do you see the next 2 decades playing out then dufunk? Demographics going the way they are and alienation of nationalists by the bluer shade of unionism means only one thing in my eyes.

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I live in the present! Its about sort the here and now and learning to live together better than we current are ignoring two stupid parties as they aren't on ground or have everything to do with day to day living. Unionists also feel alienated and not secure on this island too.

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What’s funny Andy is if you speak to people in unionist areas, especially working class, they feel alienated and see SF and catholics as getting specialist treatment and being favoured.

In reality they are being failed, not rejoicing in the perceived victories of unionism. I’m not sure who is winning apart from dup and I guess sf increasing their popularity in north and south.

Basically politicians are winning and we are the casualties

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The parties reflect the majority of the population in NI. If they didn't they wouldn't be in power. The here and now is that there's alienation of both communities by both sets of political parties. In recent times that has been more pronounced from the unionist side of the fence. If that continues there won't be government here. Things need to change drastically for a functioning government and country to emerge. Things have become so entrenched I don't see that happening tbh.

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See when the DUP come out and say the union is safer than ever.. And their supporters lap it up.

Do they ever stop for a minute and think.. Hold on.. This is the same group of people that think the earth is flat.

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I can’t see it ever working if both sides main goal are direct opposites. Sadly neither is the stability of the country and what’s best for everyone in it. Yes they may have people interests at forefront but all that comes second to a ui or remaining part of the union

They’ll never be able to work together on any long term plans. Impossible

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I could be wrong but I’d suggest a lot of dup voters vote more out of a fear out of a sf majority than having faith or loyalty to the dup

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Of course probably the vast majority lol

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Plenty of closet SF voters too!

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Most probably muzka but they need to see the bigger picture. The GFA guarantees their status within the union and their British citizenship (They'll always be able to be British) for as long as the country wants it. Can't' ask for more than that IMO. Now make it work but they don't that goes for SF too but the majority of the blame is not with them but they do have a big slice of it.

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Grass is way greener down south dufunk. The north is by far a bigger shithole even tho we get told different.

They prob hammer this state on most categories.

Sure we get hand outs from the English and have no real say but overall it's brilliant ain't it

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Doubt anyone a closet shinner on here. Everyone knows who votes then lol

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Sf don’t engage or make unionist voters feel part of their planned future. They just don’t.

I really thought they would 10-15 yrs ago and I thought it would slow but progressive. It hasn’t, it’s been same feeling it’s always been.

Same as dup, they make no attempt to engage and accept Irish as part of NI.

Sf may on paper do more but if feels a move to help their end goal.

If dup not only accepted Irish language but embraced sf as an equal and made numerous moves to equality and got assurances from uk to move forward as an equal community as part of uk would sf and nationalist community be happy with it being a better prospect financially and with stability than pushing a ui .
Would you vote against a ui if the deal was better to stay and promised equality??

And if not would you vote for a ui if worse deal and threat of civil unrest?

Of course goes both ways but I know there’s no dup voters to ask the opposite

Maybe dufunk, would you vote for a ui if a better deal than staying in the uk and was presented as an equal deal for the entire community?

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The unionist voting block if introduced into the Dail would have a major say in decisions in Ireland. A lot more say than they currently have via a British parliament. I know at present they have a wee side deal with Theresa but that won't last long and is the exception to the rule.

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Barry do you read much about politics down south? They’ve plenty of problems also. Not like here but still a lot of issues

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The way I see it. If things starting moving towards a poll and that poll looked likely to succeed I'd say Ire/EU and British government would come to some arrangement to cover the 10 billion deficit NI has every year for a soft landing into a UI.

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I know I’m probably exaggerating here but from the little I’ve read this morning, the foreigners get to stay, they still have to pay EU money and they definitely won’t get to sell British goods on a level playing field. Hahahaha

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Personally I think a ui vote should be scheduled and opposing parties given time to produce detailed strategies that must be inclusive and have stability both financially and politically in regards to civil unrest at the core

I’d say 3 years away

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I think the Brit’s will probably want to put in a vote because they will get such a shit deal they’ll want to defer to British public. Haha

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Yes I do nik. I know there is problems. I'm was more being sarcastic about what the narrative up here is when it's comes to any chat of UI like this failed place is pure winning.

Without even getting Into the whole green/Orange stance side of things I personally think we be better suited all bein United having more of a voice with say 7 million people or whatever it is than basically fuck all say over in England, and the floated limited funds and told to make it work but st same time not having full powers to really do something.

It just makes so much sense to me being out of the union long term.

We have the DUP telling us to get out of one of the biggest trade partners in the world the EU where most of uk trade is done and it be good for Britain but when the chat other way round about here we be best staying in the union because they are our biggest export/import, and South is terrible for is usual tactics like economy is tanking etc and people lap it up. Last I seen it's still fastest growing in Europe. Could be wrong.

Let's be honest they haven't a notion what they are on about. Fact dufunk wants they to get credit is comical lol

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Muzka, you wouldn't have a hope of getting something like that from the parties. they thrive of vague language and kicking the can when they need to. this week just one example of that.

I don't even know what the DUP are suggesting, they want parity with the UK but special arrangements for NI
They want a soft border but will be leaving the customs union and trade union.

Its almost as if they recognise the benefit of Europe to NI as region but their bitterness just can't hack being in agreement with Dublin

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"Sf don’t engage or make unionist voters feel part of their planned future. They just don’t.

I really thought they would 10-15 yrs ago and I thought it would slow but progressive. It hasn’t, it’s been same feeling it’s always been. "

If not for the above and the way SF politicizes UI for their own agenda and the language they use myself and many others who feel we are better off staying in the UK, would def be up for listening i'm sure. If SDLP stayed the largest nationalist party since the GFA we would def be further on and possibly more unionists and protestants would be opened to a UI.

I would need guaranteed no change to the public sector and benefits on a personal front to make me think more about it.

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Currently 1.8 Million in NI. 4.77 Million in the south. A UI within the EU with Ireland's current tax laws and the educated population that the north has would see a lot of jobs head north. More so than we currently get. It makes sense. If they could get help on the deficit from EU then I think it makes it feasible with the aim to move to self sustaining within a decade or 2 after unification.

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Jobs certainly don't come far north to the likes of Donegal at the moment do they? Ignored just like Derry is.

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Been reading survey that a high percentage of medium to large businesses here are looking to expand but uncertainty of brexit has delayed that, we may actually start to see more jobs better pay here sooner rather than later the last year and half has held our economy back from really good potential growth.

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Now that things are a wee bit clearer and potential off trade deals to new markets.

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Have you seen the tech companies in Letterkenny Dufunk? It's a smaller population of a place and has a bigger technology job pool than Derry and north west. Their salaries are a lot higher too even with the Euro difference. Yes of course more could come north and it would if the north was integrated but the problems with the north west are border related Donegal is cut off by road and rail mainly because of the border.

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There is an 18% unemployment rate in Donegal, Derry and Strabane is 4.9%. Tech jobs may not be huge in Derry but Manufacturing and Engineering esp in round Campsie is. Along with public sectors jobs also a lot of these jobs are very well projected and secured.

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Wasn’t having a go btw barry, genuinely asking because I’ve noticed loads of scandal in the last few years

Rp, I know total dreamland but was more to see what posters opinions were

So question to everyone, would you gladly change your vote on a UI if the opposing argument was a better one and I mean substantially better. I know that’s hard to say what it would be but would you remain part of Britain or move to a united ireland if the deal was better?

Personally I’d gladly vote for the better option every time hence why I’d like to see a vote. Sadly I think most wouldn’t even read the proposals and just vote the usual

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I wouldn't vote for Sinn Fein if they were anti-gay marriage, anti-abortion for rape victims, climate change sceptics, creationists who spunked £500m on a botched scheme to make their friends richer just because I agree with their stance on the reunification of the country. Forget about politics and UI for a minute and sort out living standards, education, poverty, etc first in the north of Ireland and then worry about how the island changes after that. That's what i dont get about sane unionists voting DUP. Whats the point in remaining part of the UK if the current state of the region remains?

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lol @ DUPSF

Both parties as bad as each other, in their own selfish ways.

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Spot on Daire

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