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With cunts like Anjem Choudary & Pastor McConnell both in court this week, do you believe we should have a right to free speech or do you think there should be restrictions on what a person can say in public?

Two relevant articles from Glenn Greenwald
Greatest threat to free speech comes not from terrorism, but from those claiming to fight it firstlook.org/theinter...

France's censorship demands to Twitter are more dangerous than 'hate speech' www.theguardian.com/co...

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of course not... it great to let people say what they really think

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Waterford Whisper News got a letter form a solicitor over an article about an "alternate universe" Denis O'Brien.

They responded with: waterfordwhispersnews....

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to paraphrase Athiest NIs earlier post on the matter... If thon ballix McConnell gets convicted for saying Islam is satan will I get lifted every time I say that christians, or other members of organised religions are absolutely brainless sheep?

Its ridiculous for us to argue for free speech and then prosecute those that use it to say things we don't like. Satire would die. Debate would be stifled. Craic would evaporate.

and...more importantly....I would have to stop speaking when drunk.

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I dont see why Pastor McConnell is up in court, he's merely pointing out the fact that Islam is fucking evil whereas Anjem Choudry deserves to be in court as hes inciting mulsims to be evil, simples

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we should be free to criticise what we like but not to incite others to violence

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is Anjem Choudry charged with inciting tho? or with membership of a proscribed organisation - which imo isn't an issue of free speech...as it is aside from and in addition to the incitement

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Choudary was charged with encouraging support for Islamic State
www.theguardian.com/uk...

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www.facebook.com/Chann...

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If you think free speech is without exception, then you haven't done your homework.

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People should be allowed to say what they want unless inciting hatred or trying to cause others harm.

Equally people are allowed to point out they're talking shite when need be

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There is a real backlash now against political correctness i think, you see it with Trump's popularity in the states. I hear it all the time now about working environments especially where people are just fed up having to walk on egg shells around minorities, or women, or the disabled. they don't want to upset them in any way for fear of being taken up for being racist or being misogynistic. you can't organise a regular friday booze up for fear of being racially discriminatory for example. I don't know how people feel about that but I have heard the argument quite a bit on podcasts and on tele.

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You can't organise everyone going for a pint without being blamed on being racist?

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rp invited everyone at work out for a few.pints except the black guy. That is pretty racist.

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Bernard manning

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What if the black guy didn't drink?

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aye flash, big corporate companies is where I have heard that. maybe not racists but for not taking into consideration the abstinence some religions preach. all about inclusiveness, embracing diversity etc.

not saying its got the right idea at heart of course. but there seems to be a bit of a backlash, people feeling like it's making them look like they are excluding others if they do that.

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Got to admit I find it difficult to organise a drink in work without offending anyone. Mainly because they are all boring cunts and I'd get cheeked up and tell them all

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I was reading about those yale protests earlier

This video of them abusing the concept of safe space is next level

www.theatlantic.com/po...

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Nik, did you stealthily get a job in my place?

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Scientology cult like there pavlova

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I did Wayne, your the boring cunt I'm talking about

;)

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Oh :-(

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heres how you deal with those fucking student protesters i31.tinypic.com/2yvwe3...

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Like how they roll in Mexico

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Ayotzinapa students have a very real very legitimate beef... those students from Yale appear to be nothing but a bunch of cunts

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www.newsletter.co.uk/n...

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Uprising www.newsletter.co.uk/n...

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HA! What an idiot. Like the uprising over the fleg? During the trial every day we walked past at lunch time there was this one guy with a sign about "Jihadists". I think the crowd increased slightly in the afternoon. Not enough for any sort of uprising though.

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Most of his supporters can hardly uprise out of an armchair. Wouldnt worry about it. Cunt thinks hes fucking Paisley.

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Paisley was allowed to say catholicism was satanic though.

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The whole court case is a farce.....The man's a fucking glide, bit imo the charges are ludicrous and patently unfounded

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Fuck him... Religious folk demand protection against offence yet are happy to a stir up their followers to hate others. Live by the sword die by the sword.

Stuff like this as well
“The judge is in such a difficult situation here and has got to please so many people. "

but if he doesn't do as the pastor says he get threatened with an "uprising"

Paisley didn't broadcast his messages of hate over the internet

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Seriously tho....you can run around having people locked up just for having and voicing opinions....

He is fully entitled to hold vile and irrational opinions...and we are fully entitled to ridicule him for it.

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I agree with you Ceri... free speech on the feminist thread is a great thing for exposing the vile... but the religious are always trying to impose their views on others... they got their way again and religious beliefs should be protected. Now he's paying the price of that protection.

That said he does walk a thin line between inciting violence against muslims and merely being offensive, particularly when he hides behind his mealy mouthed concerns for the political and spiritual direction this country is taking

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I personally think the instance he is charged with was just offensive...I don't see it as inciting....which is why I think he shouldn't have been charged.

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In Northern Ireland though, this type of speech is probably inciting. Hard to know where the line is and what is deemed ok. I know where you are coming from Ceri.

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but you're a rational person, ceri. Calling muslims satanic shows he and follower thing muslims present some kind of existential threat to life here. It dehumanises them and makes them easier to attack

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I know...I know.....but I'm being selfish here.....

If I want the right to hold and voice my opinions, no matter how ridiculous some people find them then I have to hold the view that others be allowed theirs

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Pastor McConnell: not guilty of 'grossly offensive' remarks about Islam
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-...

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Ceri. You are so virtuous.

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First time I've been called that!

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I think it's the first time anyone has been called that on this board.

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Looks like Lou Carpenter from Neighbours

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This thread is on dangerous ground. There'll be no unapproved free speech around here.

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surprised you have any time for pornography shat lad. if I was a militant misandrist I wouldn't.
but I'm not.

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Good news pack of wankers

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